Piracy (copyright infringement)

[tooltiperror]

You have a point there, but you forgot something that's almost as important as profits which is User Base. Would you rather have a small user base or a large user base?

The more people that you have your product means the more people that will buy your future products which will give you a nice steady flow of money.

Unfortunately, that doesn't work, the difference in user base is not large enough. I wish software was cheaper just like you guys, but it is unfortunately not practical.

 

[tom_mai78101]

Maybe the high prices for softwares is due to sophisticated coding caused by complications in coding, not because it's the developers adding more work time and resources on the projects.

If language we use for programming becomes easier, there's less time to debug, less things to fix, less issues, less work time, less price for that software.

It's as if the whole developmental stages of a project gets bloated with something over and over again. We need to fix this.

That's just my 1/2 cent there.

 

[ElderKingpin]

people have been working on trying to perfect programming language for a while. C++ was probably a breakthrough for programming (from what i have read) and its as efficient as you are going to get right now

 

[tom_mai78101]

Ok, so if it's not programming, what's the actual cause for developers to bloat up their softwares with useless stuffs?

 

[tooltiperror]

people have been working on trying to perfect programming language for a while. C++ was probably a breakthrough for programming (from what i have read) and its as efficient as you are going to get right now

C# is more efficient, even if it is .NET Framework.

Ok, so if it's not programming, what's the actual cause for developers to bloat up their softwares with useless stuffs?

People don't make games for fun, they make it so they can pay their rent and buy things.

 

[tom_mai78101]

People don't make games for fun, they make it so they can pay their rent and buy things.

So, that means it's because of oil prices, if we're trying to find the main source of all this piracy? (Piracy <-- Need more money to pay rent and buy things <-- Rents and mortgage goes up <-- Less paycheck <-- More taxes needed to pay off <-- Companies on the verge of financial crisis <-- Oil prices fluctuating upwards)

Why can't we just create a brand new currency and replace our current money with that new one, so as to avoid price inflation and cut down on piracy?

 

[Nigerianrulz]

So, that means it's because of oil prices, if we're trying to find the main source of all this piracy? (Piracy <-- Need more money to pay rent and buy things <-- Rents and mortgage goes up <-- Less paycheck <-- More taxes needed to pay off <-- Companies on the verge of financial crisis <-- Oil prices fluctuating upwards)

Why can't we just create a brand new currency and replace our current money with that new one, so as to avoid price inflation and cut down on piracy?

what... a whole economy does not flow around "oil prices"... and how does oil prices even affect some companies such as gaming companies...

we CANT just create a brand new currency... price inflation is inevitable it will ALWAYS happen inorder for a economy to grow, because as our money grows and the economy stacks more cash, people will start to gain more income and there have more spare cash to buy a specific item at a given price. If this continues then the demand of that item will go down along with the supply and this will cause a rise in the price to support the supply, but since the demand is low there will less likely to be people buying the product therefore causing a loss in profit and etc.... and "money" is really worth nothing... its just on a paper saying its 10 dollars and we TRUST that its 10 dollars so if you create a new currency it will just be the same as the one now..

i really think piracy will only contribute to the downfall of the entertainment industry. And all of you guys saying that they should lower the prices to meet the interest of the consumers well thats not going to happen. If they are already losing money how do you expect them to even lower the price for an album? Do you know how much stuff is involved in producing music, movies and etc... its not just one person thats getting paid for like a movie or an album.
See the market works like this.
Media(of whatever form) comes out.
Theres gonna be an amount of supply for the amount of demand. Naturally if piracy didnt exist, all the supply will be sold and the demand satisfied, thats when the market clears. But when piracy comes in, theres still the same amount of demand and supply but piracy takes away the demand but theres still the same amount of supply.

Piracy is definitely wrong but in saying that im a hypocrite coz i pirate... cause the price are too high sometimes and i just dont have the income so... BUT when i start to receive an income piracy would definitely stop for me.

 

[JerseyFoo]

and how does oil prices even affect some companies such as gaming companies...

Your not thinking about the whole picture, consider these...

• How do employees get to work
• What are discs made from
• How do games get from the company to the consumer

Yes oil prices does affect the entire economy, from the money a Wall St investor pays at the pump to the petroleum used to make your little brother's Happy Meal Toy.

And for this reason I ignore the rest of your post.

 

[tooltiperror]

Are you really thinking that it would have enough of an effect to make a difference?

I think not.

 

[JerseyFoo]

Yes, oil prices make a difference even for the gaming industry.

 

[tooltiperror]

A difference does not necessarily mean a noticeable, nor important, difference.

 

[JerseyFoo]

A difference is a difference, what are you trying to prove?

 

[tooltiperror]

That companies shouldn't ruin their prices to improve sales.

 

[Nigerianrulz]

Your not thinking about the whole picture, consider these...

• How do employees get to work
• What are discs made from
• How do games get from the company to the consumer

Yes oil prices does affect the entire economy, from the money a Wall St investor pays at the pump to the petroleum used to make your little brother's Happy Meal Toy.

And for this reason I ignore the rest of your post.

you see thats just INDIVIDUAL consumers...
a employee getting to work doesnt have anything to do with how much hes getting paid...
A disc is more probably made by electricity than oil....
the last one makes more sense but it wouldnt affect the company by THAT MUCH to make any difference.

The oil price DOES affect the economy but not by the degree your talking about. The oil price didnt cause the GFC so i dont think the wall street people are too worried about oil...

 

[tom_mai78101]

If that's the case, then we should try to brainstorm what may cause piracy:

1. Softwares that are bloated with useless features and are expensive. What makes them want to sell their products with a high price tag?
2. A popular product pirated into many versions of the original. What makes humans want to do sucha thing? Is it money related? Or is it job related?

 

[Lambda_drive]

A disc is more probably made by electricity than oil....
the last one makes more sense but it wouldnt affect the company by THAT MUCH to make any difference.

CD's and DVD's are made from Polycarbonate plastic, and most plastics are made from, you guessed it, Petroleum.

Most discs aren't made in America, they're all made in Asian countries like Taiwan and they're shipped to America on container ships. Sailing all the way from Taiwan to America isn't exactly quick and requires a lot of fuel. When you buy fuel in small quantities, like for example 10 gallons of regular for your car, price increases don't effect you that much, but when you have to buy 2 million gallons of fuel for a container ship, a small increase in price makes a big difference.

 

[tooltiperror]

1. Softwares that are bloated with useless features and are expensive. What makes them want to sell their products with a high price tag?

Why would adding extra features increase piracy? An inflated price may influence piracy, but prices right now are proportionate to value for almost all of the industry.

2. A popular product pirated into many versions of the original. What makes humans want to do sucha thing? Is it money related? Or is it job related?

Give an example, please.

 

[Nigerianrulz]

If that's the case, then we should try to brainstorm what may cause piracy:

1. Softwares that are bloated with useless features and are expensive. What makes them want to sell their products with a high price tag?
2. A popular product pirated into many versions of the original. What makes humans want to do sucha thing? Is it money related? Or is it job related?

what causes piracy is the fact that we dont want to pay for the stuff... who doesnt like free stuff...

the reason why softwares are so expansive is because their demand is low but its reasonably inelastic meaning that even though the price is high there still will be consumers buying the item because they NEED it. So inorder to make up to their profits they have to sell it at a higher price and understanding that the consumers that will PAY for the item will pay for it no matter how expensive ( not by like 50% increase) it is, the price doesnt really matter.

@lambda drive for the CDs and etc i was refering to the production process.

as for the oil theres other factors you have to consider. Though im not absolutely sure about these, but here it is..
stuff like buying in bulk, contracts between companies, inflation/deflation, business trying to maximize their profits without losing their partnerships etc... im sure all of them will come into to play to allow everything to reach a mutual agreement that benefits everyone. Which in turns allows the difference to be minimized.

 

[tooltiperror]

You also need to realize the software industry has a massive Economy of Scale. In other words, because they are making so many copies for just one shot of labor and developing, in the end, producing each CD may cost less than $0.001.

 

[13lade619]

the reason why softwares are so expansive is because their demand is low but its reasonably inelastic meaning that even though the price is high there still will be consumers buying the item because they NEED it. So inorder to make up to their profits they have to sell it at a higher price and understanding that the consumers that will PAY for the item will pay for it no matter how expensive ( not by like 50% increase) it is, the price doesnt really matter.

yeah, most people WANT software.
the others that NEED, will be forced to buy.