Report [Quantum Physics] In quantum channels, zero plus zero can equal non-zero

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Physicists have discovered a strange characteristic of quantum communication channels. If two quantum channels each have a transmission capacity of zero, they may still have a nonzero capacity when used together. This effect, which has no classical counterpart, reveals a new complexity in the fundamental nature of quantum communication.

The coauthors of the study, Graeme Smith of the IBM T.J. Watson Research Center in Yorktown Heights, New York, and Jon Yard of Los Alamos National Laboratory in Los Alamos, New Mexico, have published their research in a recent issue of Science.

Smith and Yard explain that one of the most important challenges in designing communication networks of any kind is taking steps to correct for noise. By decreasing noise levels in communication channels, developers can increase channel capacity, which is defined as the number of bits (or qubits, in quantum channels) that one channel can transmit. For a channel with zero capacity, no bits are transmitted.

For several decades, scientists have used a well-known formula developed by Claude Shannon in 1948 for developing error-correction techniques in classical communication channels. This formula guides the design of modern communication schemes used in cell phones, the Internet, and deep-space communication. In this classical formula, capacity is additive: when two channels are used simultaneously to transmit data, the capacities of the channels are added to obtain the total capacity.


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This proves to me that nothing or zero does not exist in this dimension. We cannot see it because it is not here but if you add two nothings together it has value even though we cannot see it. So zero has value - and that is what they are looking for with the Large Hadron Collider - the Higgs Boson or god particle or what makes up the nothing around us.

Stay tuned.
 
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So that means .99 = 1? As the missing value of infinity is equal to nothing, which equals indeed something? Confusing -_-
 

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What happens if a third zero is added?
 

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Our current math is flawed at a fundamental level because it does not handle 0 and infinity correctly. I don't believe you can properly quantify 0+0+0 in our math and be able to represent that with our current math.
 

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Our current math is flawed at a fundamental level because it does not handle 0 and infinity correctly. I don't believe you can properly quantify 0+0+0 in our math and be able to represent that with our current math.

Well technically zero doesn't exist in our spatial world, does it? Which is what our math system is based off. That's was what I understood from my physics and mathematic classes (the theoretical ones never talked much about it that I remember).
 

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6 + Infinity = 6Infinities?
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Well 10/3 = 3.3 and 3 infinities. Because 10*3 / 3

10/3 = 3.3 and 3 infinities.

Because 10*3/3 is the same

Those little infinities are important if you are looking at how to handle allocating infinities when it comes to money in computer programs without losing the pennies.

I think infinity is different than zero because you can quantify it in our math unlike 3/0 unless you just take the answer to be infinity.
 

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So does this mean that 0 is now an imaginary number, like the sq root of -1?
 

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Does anyone here want to get paid to think, as a "Zero" debater? You get free coffee and some salary to argue about what zero is!

This is why I absolutely HATE innovations like this, even though it helps our scientific world massively. I could have been a guy swimming in money for discovering this. Oh well, the robotics world is probably more exciting anyways.
 

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I'm skeptical.

In any measurement of some property, "zero" is simply an approximation for anything that falls below your precision. It could be REALLY small, maybe not exactly zero, but small enough that you can't tell the difference. I would like to see a bit more evidence on their precision to prove to me that they are actually adding "zero", as opposed to small numbers.

Quantum mechanics almost seems to imply a floating-point number system on the universe, however, and I think this would be far more interesting for science than the discovery of (or lack of) a true zero.
 
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