My first time in an APPLE store

[Samael88]

i also forgot to mention, the customer service lady was hot :thup:

Well, that's a whole other thing then
Then you should take her invite her into the closest secluded area and after that run out of there

If mac is more expensiva than a pc, then what is the use of having one in the first place?

It might be so that the macs are more expencive since they have higher grade components in them, which should make them last longer.
On the other hand, My pc have worked somewhat fine for about 5years now without any mayor changes to it:nuts:

Oh, and btw, I saw some ram memories for pc the other day.
Crucial DDR3 1066MHz 24GB KIT, CL7
3 memorie sticks for 19'500SEK.
That's expensive

 

[Varine]

If mac is more expensiva than a pc, then what is the use of having one in the first place?

Because they supposedly work better.

Crucial DDR3 1066MHz 24GB KIT, CL7
3 memorie sticks for 19'500SEK.

Maybe because you're looking at 24 gigs of RAM?

 

[Whitesock]

It might be so that the macs are more expencive since they have higher grade components in them, which should make them last longer.

Actually, I think it's because they have to cover the costs of their bags. Their too nice for regular bags. -.-

 

[Icyculyr]

I loved my first time in an Apple store, bought an iTouch 2G, later got my Mac.
Looking forward to getting a 30" Apple Cinema HD Display next refresh (should be sometime in 2010, maybe earlier)!

There was only 3 or 4 people in the one we went to.

Apple are expensive because they can be,
Microsoft make their money on software and Apple make their money on hardware

 

[Whitesock]

Apple are expensive because they can be,
Microsoft make their money on software and Apple make their money on hardware

I think you hit the nail on the head there. I think all companies overcharge if they become popular to max profit.

Though those bags are really nice. xD

 

[sqrage]

Nearly $2,000 for a 30" screen. What a ripoff.

 

[Icyculyr]

Nearly $2,000 for a 30" screen. What a ripoff.

It's hardly a rip off, it's a good screen... it is a little overpriced though.
Show me another 30" screen that's better for less?

The 30" ACD hasn't been updated in 5 years, so I'm sure you can
get better for a little cheaper, but imo Apple screens are the best.

 

[sqrage]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005115

Much cheaper too.

Using high gloss doesn't make them "the best"

 

[ElderKingpin]

my dad just bought a macbook pro, what a traitor >.< im not sure why he bought it, and i think he was running windows on the mac too

 

[Icyculyr]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824005115
Much cheaper too.
Using high gloss doesn't make them "the best"

That display is $1259.99 (less $100 from some kind of saving/discount)
Apple Display is $1799, the difference is only $539.

The difference is hardly a rip off, although perhaps quite significant for some.
But I'd still buy the apple 30" if I had to purchase now. My dad has one, it's very good.

I'm planning to wait until the next refresh, Apple's screen should then be better than anything else
and hopefully include a mic+iSight cam

EDIT: WTG your dad!

 

[sqrage]

Half the price of the total unit (LG) is not significant?

 

[Varine]

Microsoft make their money on software and Apple make their money on hardware

Because Microsoft doesn't really make Hardware, does it? That's what ATI, Intel, NVidia, AMD, and the other masses of companies do. Apple gives you Apple... which isn't ever really better, just more expensive. And comes with nice bags apparently.

 

[Icyculyr]

Half the price of the total unit (LG) is not significant?

You can pay 2 thirds for something a little better of what you would the 30" ACD, it's not that MUCH difference.

You might go for the cheaper one if you have never used a 30" ACD before or you're on a budget, I have used one and a 23" I'd never go with anything else

Because Microsoft doesn't really make Hardware, does it? That's what ATI, Intel, NVidia, AMD, and the other masses of companies do. Apple gives you Apple... which isn't ever really better, just more expensive. And comes with nice bags apparently.

Let's look at it this way, Apple give you good value for what you get, they might make a bit of money off the hardware but it's not a rip off.
If you bought from a store the PC version of a mac laptop you'd both with identical parts, you'd find that the PC version is only slightly cheaper... Maybe $150-300.

And you might save $300-600 on a desktop, I think I'm being pretty generous there though.

Actually I think Apple make somewhere around 30% (Could be wrong).

 

[sqrage]

>>And you might save $300-600 on a desktop, I think I'm being pretty generous there though.


No that's actually very realistic. And sure if you're upper middle class or high class, then $600 is nothing. But that's half a months worth of rent right there and for $600 you could buy a whole extra computer, or you can put that $600 to the original computer and get something 10 times better than the top of the line Apple computer.

I've used the Apple screens and they're nothing special, just glossy like everything Apple puts out.

 

[Varine]

Let's look at it this way, Apple give you good value for what you get, they might make a bit of money off the hardware but it's not a rip off.
If you bought from a store the PC version of a mac laptop you'd both with identical parts, you'd find that the PC version is only slightly cheaper... Maybe $150-300.

And you might save $300-600 on a desktop, I think I'm being pretty generous there though.

Actually I think Apple make somewhere around 30% (Could be wrong).

No... YOU can look at it that way, I'm going to look at it in the way that I have a computer that was probably a hell of a lot less than yours, probably runs better, and even if I did save 300-600 dollars, that would get me a cheap car to start rebuilding. Put a year of work and a few grand into and it'd be a pretty nice damn car (also I can pay a month of rent).

And Apple probably makes somewhere around 50-100% over what they spend.

 

[Icyculyr]

No that's actually very realistic. And sure if you're upper middle class or high class, then $600 is nothing. But that's half a months worth of rent right there and for $600 you could buy a whole extra computer, or you can put that $600 to the original computer and get something 10 times better than the top of the line Apple computer.

Well there's something I think I should point out, I think we are from different countries therefore prices for computers
at certain levels is probably much different. I can assure you a $600 AU PC from Aus will be a box of sand.
Although the currency difference is only 20% more AU for US dollars, the equiv machine is probably $1100-1500 here.

Mac's don't have problems, and if they ever do you get fantastic customer support.
And 10x better than the top of the line Apple computer... I don't think so, that's over the top,
You could get a better graphics card (like the GTX 290, don't know what it costs tho) and RAM (higher MHz), that's about it.
If you want EXTREME gaming, don't go Mac, but they are perfectly fine for games.

I suppose if you have had good experiences with PCs and they don't crash for you or you don't care (or you can fix them) and you don't get viruses, there probably isn't any reason to switch, particularly if you don't like Snow Leopard (I don't see how you couldn't though )

I've used the Apple screens and they're nothing special, just glossy like everything Apple puts out.

That's fair enough, I love em though.

No... YOU can look at it that way, I'm going to look at it in the way that I have a computer that was probably a hell of a lot less than yours, probably runs better

If you get the same parts you wouldn't pay much less. My only point is Apple isn't a rip off.

Here, Apple make $1000 Macs, HP make $1000 PCs, but they are also able to make $600 PCs... That doesn't mean Apple is a rip off, it just means they don't have any computers that are less than $1000,
But that doesn't mean your $600 dollar starter PC is better than your $1000 starter Mac, it doesn't mean it isn't better either, you could get a really good deal.
(The price is just an example)

and even if I did save 300-600 dollars, that would get me a cheap car to start rebuilding. Put a year of work and a few grand into and it'd be a pretty nice damn car (also I can pay a month of rent).

If you want to save money off whatever computer you buy and put it into a car or whatever else, you can, I'm just arguing that Apple is hardly a rip off.

And Apple probably makes somewhere around 50-100% over what they spend.

I don't know, I'm sure I read they make about $300 per $1000.
But how much do you think this store is making off the computer you buy from them?

 

[WastedSavior]

My sister bought a mac for $2,000.

My other sister bought a PC for $1,000.

The pc (in every aspect, from software and hardware all the way to support) is about 4 times better then the mac.



Do people really think they are buying a superior product?

Well yes, they actually do think they are. This is the result of apples incredibly Advertising and Marketing team.​

Is a mac better?

From a hardware perspective. No, mac is not any better. They sell you the same components, just in a prettier box.​

So what the hell are you actually paying for you may ask?

Perception, Your paying more for an Apple product because they give off the persona that they are selling you the higher quality product. They justify their prices by generating the idea that what your getting is a premium product​

Is buying a mac worth it?

Excluding personal preference, no, buying a mac is not worth it.

When you take into consideration the excessive cost of the product, and the Total Cost of Ownership your paying much more for essentially the same product. It doesn't make much sense to pay extra for a hamburger that looks prettier but tastes the same.​

Total Cost of Ownership? What does that mean?

It means, that your paying for the product, as well as all the accessories.
Mac accessories cost about 200% more then a PC (Both serving the same function).​

Why do mac accessories cost more if they do the same thing?

Much like Hollister or Abercrombie, your not paying for a better product, your paying for the name printed on it. (Aka, your paying extra to give them free advertisement)
​

Ultimately, it's going to come down to preference, but between you and me, I'd much rather get my dollars worth. Im a 3rd generation penny pincher.:thup:

 

[Icyculyr]

My sister bought a mac for $2,000.

My other sister bought a PC for $1,000.

The pc (in every aspect, from software and hardware all the way to support) is about 4 times better then the mac.

First I will ask, in what currency are we speaking? I assume US dollars,
In what year was this?, what Mac was it & what OS (Tiger/Leopard etc..), and what PC was it & what OS (XP/Vista) (and what specs for them if you know).

Can you explain what you mean by 4x better, I don't think it's 4x faster or 4x more stable?
What software are we using to compare this, is the software faster? easier to use, what Mac software are we comparing it to?
Or by software did you mean OS?

Do people really think they are buying a superior product?
Well yes, they actually do think they are. This is the result of apples incredibly Advertising and Marketing team.

Yep wtg Apple, I love those ads

So what the hell are you actually paying for you may ask?
Perception, Your paying more for an Apple product because they give off the persona that they are selling you the higher quality product. They justify their prices by generating the idea that what your getting is a premium product

Not so, you're assured that you're getting a computer that will work without headaches and problems, there are more modern PCs with problems than modern Macs with problems.
Like I've said, if you spec up a PC with a Mac with identical components, the PC will come in not much cheaper, assuming the store you're buying it from isn't charging the same amount that Apple do ($300/$1000 profit) extra.

Not to mention you get to use OSX which has a LOT of free software that is very valuable. The OS is safer (not necessarily more secure) than Windows, so you don't need Anti-Virus software,
and it's harder to damage the system via user error, not to mention easier to navigate imo.
Mostly this is because Windows has 90% of the market, but I also think that OSX is harder to do damage to do to it's Unix base, it's a bit different from windows.

I will say this though, you can't beat building your computer, you can get an i7 rig for $1000 or around that price anyway.

Total Cost of Ownership? What does that mean?
It means, that your paying for the product, as well as all the accessories.
Mac accessories cost about 200% more then a PC (Both serving the same function).

Yeah you're probably right, but I'd still like to see some links of examples, I wouldn't say 200%.
You won't really spend any money trying to fix your mac, or waste time trying to solve it's problems (if you buy AppleCare anyway).
(Unlike with a PC, at least that's my experience)
I think Apple should really have more than a One Year Warranty, and 90 Days phone support. It's a bit of a rip off charging 150-350 (depending on the Mac) for 3 years warranty and phone support and whatever else AppleCare offers.

Why do mac accessories cost more if they do the same thing?
Much like Hollister or Abercrombie, your not paying for a better product, your paying for the name printed on it. (Aka, your paying extra to give them free advertisement)

I'd like to see some links of examples, I can imagine Mac's accessories being a little more expensive, but not 200%.

Ultimately, it's going to come down to preference, but between you and me, I'd much rather get my dollars worth. Im a 3rd generation penny pincher.

To each his own I see value in Apple, I've used Windows since I was 4. About 8-12 months ago I had a $2000 AU machine (Only a year old), I'd get crashes (BSODs), viruses (mostly my mistake, although knowing better against using keygens ), It would NEVER sleep properly, many other problems, including being very sluggish and slow (this may have been after a fresh install too, could be wrong though).

I could live with using Windows 7, but it'd be hard :O

 

[ElderKingpin]

will you stop trying to turn every single thread that has to deal with a mac, a semi-debate thread that tries to make mac the better of mac vs pc

 

[DDRtists]

This is going to turn into a fanboy thread like EVERY OTHER thread about this type of thing. PC users won't want to see that Macs are decent, and vice versa.

Lets not waste our time, eh guys? This accomplishes nothing.