SoD - Eragon Realms - Project

[N1gh7m4r3]

this sounds great, only problem is that based on the booms farthen dur probably wouldnt even fit into a 1028x1028 map, but hey, it could work. you better be a good terrainer or some eragon fanatics are gunna be pissed though lol.

As I said, it would be BASED on the book, but I want a creative and competitive map, not an umplayble unmakable map.

Don't worry, I will not let this project die =)

 

[Demonfaze]

This sounds great =D

There should be ways to make alliances/backstab individual players, since that happens a lot in the book. I won't mention who/when/or where.

Maybe killing a hero gives a chance for him to drop one of his items.
Maybe killing a unit gives a (very) low chance to drop an item. This item may or may not be useless. ex: a soldier could drop a very weak sword you could use for a low attack bonus, or it could give a broken shield or broken helmet, which would do nothing. BUT, both could be sold to the shop

 

[Elthanor]

Wow! An Eragon Map!!! Ever sence i read the book, i thought it would be a great map! If its a DOTA, or TD( not cool, but oh well) Or a alternative melee, anything envolving Eragon would be cool! I was thinking of making a Cinematic of it, but... never really got around to make it...

I dont know how i could help, still new to making maps, know the baiscs, but i would like to help. If you need some extra person, ill try to help!

An Idea for a map.. game play... I have some.

Big Battle-This isent exacely what you are looking for, but just an genral Eragon Map idea. Its like the "Battle for Middle Earth" map, like a BIG melee, with cutom units, based off the ppl in Lord of the ring, with the same Middle-Earth world, but not really bases off the book. For Eragon, you can have like a "Battles of Alegasia"(hope I spelled that right), you cna picked the teams, Galbatorix, Urgals, and stuff as evil, and Eragon/Varden, the Evils, Dwarfs can be on a team, just like a BIG scale Melee Battle, in the Eragon world. Just an Idea.

Farthen Dur Battle- If this is your location for the map, then it would have to be pretty aweome to match the book! such an awesome battle. I didnt read all of what you guys posted above, but i have sorta an idea. In the book, urgals come from the caves, and you, the Vardens defend your city of farthen Dur under ground. So, you will need to hae a big Tunnel battle style going on to make it feel like an underground battle, which is going to be pretty original, and awesome. I think you can have the option of picking a hero, and only a hero, or being able to command troops. Like Buy/train units, or comman a hero(Eragon, Arya, Saphira). same with the other team as Urgals. I think what would be cool is like a DOTA/AOS, where units spawn and kil each other, BUT in a tunnel envierment. In the tunnels, like the picture you made above, there are post, or strong holds you command. If you comman them, you spawn more ppl, or more points or what ever. But the urgals goesnt haev a "base" They keep coming from the tunnels, where you can t go(If you on the good team). So basicly, you have to surivive tell Durza(The Shade) comes, you you have to kill him, and ends the game.

Just an Idea, if you like it, great. If you dont, its ok.

Cant WAIT for this map, what ever the gametype is, Eragon is great, nomatter what you do!
GOOD LUCK!

 

[Quadmxracer]

Please read the posts

Wow! An Eragon Map!!! Ever sence i read the book, i thought it would be a great map! If its a DOTA, or TD( not cool, but oh well) Or a alternative melee, anything envolving Eragon would be cool! I was thinking of making a Cinematic of it, but... never really got around to make it...

I dont know how i could help, still new to making maps, know the baiscs, but i would like to help. If you need some extra person, ill try to help!

An Idea for a map.. game play... I have some.

Big Battle-This isent exacely what you are looking for, but just an genral Eragon Map idea. Its like the "Battle for Middle Earth" map, like a BIG melee, with cutom units, based off the ppl in Lord of the ring, with the same Middle-Earth world, but not really bases off the book. For Eragon, you can have like a "Battles of Alegasia"(hope I spelled that right), you cna picked the teams, Galbatorix, Urgals, and stuff as evil, and Eragon/Varden, the Evils, Dwarfs can be on a team, just like a BIG scale Melee Battle, in the Eragon world. Just an Idea.

Farthen Dur Battle- If this is your location for the map, then it would have to be pretty aweome to match the book! such an awesome battle. I didnt read all of what you guys posted above, but i have sorta an idea. In the book, urgals come from the caves, and you, the Vardens defend your city of farthen Dur under ground. So, you will need to hae a big Tunnel battle style going on to make it feel like an underground battle, which is going to be pretty original, and awesome. I think you can have the option of picking a hero, and only a hero, or being able to command troops. Like Buy/train units, or comman a hero(Eragon, Arya, Saphira). same with the other team as Urgals. I think what would be cool is like a DOTA/AOS, where units spawn and kil each other, BUT in a tunnel envierment. In the tunnels, like the picture you made above, there are post, or strong holds you command. If you comman them, you spawn more ppl, or more points or what ever. But the urgals goesnt haev a "base" They keep coming from the tunnels, where you can t go(If you on the good team). So basicly, you have to surivive tell Durza(The Shade) comes, you you have to kill him, and ends the game.

Just an Idea, if you like it, great. If you dont, its ok.

Cant WAIT for this map, what ever the gametype is, Eragon is great, nomatter what you do!
GOOD LUCK!

Eh... perhaps you can read the posts next time. Everything you said would have been great, except that N1gh7m4r3 has already decided that the idea of Farthen Dur was good for the map. Read some of the posts, like Rads and Mine, you will find that we already got everything you said on that subject, and that N1gh7m4r3 does not want a "world" type map like the LotR maps, he wants an AoS type map, but making it original BASING it off of the book, not RECREATING the battle exactly. But thx for your comments anyways, and if you have any more ideas, please post them. Since N1gh7m4r3 is in the beginning stages of the mapmaking/ideas, any idea helps (just try not to repeat ideas already in the thread).

As for some more ideas:

I still need to no more about what you want to do N1gh7m4r3, can you please respond to my previous post (post #17, page #2) asking about more details? if so, i'm sure i can come up with more things.

p.s: The pictures posted in the main post look pretty cool, gj man

 

[N1gh7m4r3]

As for more ideas... I think some more information on what you wanna do with the map will help, Like...
1. What do you want to do with heros (use heros from the book, or make custom heros)
2. What do you want to use for skins for the heros (skins already in the game, or custom skins) personally i think custom skins would be best if possible (i'll try to look for some on wc3search).
3. Do you want to integrate non-spoiler events from the book into the game (if so, i can re-read/think of some possibilities)
4. What kind of triggers would you like to see in the game other than the basic AoS type trigger (I think having some terrain affect like cave-ins where a pit opens under the enemy feet, and wholes that open in the ground that Urgals spawn out of when they take an area or an event happens)
5. What kind of spells are you looking for. Do you want spells based off of things used in the book, custom spells, or both?

Sorry for taking so long I was busy today (xmas gifts )

1- As you know the heroes from the book are few to what we want to do, so we need to be creative. I plan to make some Heroes from the book (like Eragon, Arya, Murthag, Durza), I thought in adding Brom (I know he is death at the time of the battle, but you can't say that he don't deserve a place on the map . After we put all of the main heroes we need to make more, I have thought of this guidelines to hero making:
Varden:

• Some Gnome Clan leadders (each one with their own abilities)
• Gnome Clan members (each one with their own abilities)
• Some Human specialized heroes
• Varden special units (don't refered on the book but they may exist)

Urgals (I see them as orcs, I dunno why =X):

• Urgal Bosses (Specialized in diferent abilities)
• Urgal Elite members (each one with their own abilities)
• Maybe some Spellcasters

2- I really don't know a thing about custom textures or custom models, I only know how to import. I think if the textures are not to "heavy" it would be cool, but I can't make them. I was thinking only on default one, but custom will be better of course =).

3- The minigames should fbe parts (or based on) of the game like:

• Hunting for Aya - Urgals searching a forest for Aya, she would run from them and hide.
• Escape from the Urgals - (based on the events just before Farthen Dur) Runing in a forest to reach Farthen Dur (all in a mini version )
• Huntin in The Spine - (Just before Eragon found the egg) ppl hunting in a forest.

Thats all I thought for now

4- About triggers I think the best is making a playbe map, than adding special effects, and things less essencial, I think for now we need to focus in a playble BETA version of the game, so more Ideas (balance for example) will come out for sure. Just my opinion, if you think of any other idea please tell

5- (geezze you made me writte a LOT ^^) The words list we have at the end of the book (at least in Portugal they have ^^) would be a good place to start for magic spells. For Sword, Bow and other abilities (not Magic related if you get my idea ) we can use english words. It will be the best if everyone had read the book, but since not (course not but they should READ THE ERAGON BOOK (let's stop advertisement, but the book is damm good ^^)) we may have to stick to custom (not book related) spells as well.

Geeze ^^ lol Iam tired, Ill go play some Arranged Teams, cya later ^^

Thx all again

 

[N1gh7m4r3]

Post Updated!

Update!

See posts main and second post (Edited them)

Thx!

 

[Elthanor]

Eh... perhaps you can read the posts next time. Everything you said would have been great, except that N1gh7m4r3 has already decided that the idea of Farthen Dur was good for the map. Read some of the posts, like Rads and Mine, you will find that we already got everything you said on that subject, and that N1gh7m4r3 does not want a "world" type map like the LotR maps, he wants an AoS type map, but making it original BASING it off of the book, not RECREATING the battle exactly. But thx for your comments anyways, and if you have any more ideas, please post them. Since N1gh7m4r3 is in the beginning stages of the mapmaking/ideas, any idea helps (just try not to repeat ideas already in the thread).

ahh.. srry bout that, i guess i should read the posts above befor i reply... srry about that :banghead:

AS for what night just put up, i like the idea of Brom coming back, gives it more of a twist, and if players play it, and then read, what a shock!

I just want to list some heros you could use. You might of thought of them alreaddy, but just incase, ill list all that i can think of.

Eragon, Arya, Brom,Saphire, Ajihad,Murtagh,Durza(The Shade, i think thats his name),Orik,Hrothgar.

Its really hard to think of the urgals leaders. Some units, Kolls should be added.

Do you need a terrainer? I could try out, im not REALLY good, but i have done a terrain for a friends DOTA. Here is a terrain project i did awhile ago, I havent tryed, but I think i can do a Underground theme for Farthun Dur! Just give me your Idea of what it should look like, and i cna try!

http://www.wc3sear.ch/viewtopic.php?t=14057&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=135-im Elthanor too, did a Night elf village terrain.

 

[Demonfaze]

Maybe an eragon-like fighting style would be cool.

Health = you heal over time, or can be healed by priests.
"Energy" (Mana) = every time you attack or use a spell, mana is drained. You also lose mana every few seconds. You can regain mana by sleeping or taking energy items (like an energy potion).

edit: forgot to add

Health = if it reaches 0, you die and have to be revived
Energy = if it reaches 0, you faint and can't do anything.. You can choose to "give up" and it would be treated as if you die, or you can be instantly revived at that spot if someone gives you an energy drink/casts some type of resurrection spell on you

 

[0cossin77]

Ide be happy to do the terrain

 

[N1gh7m4r3]

"Energy" (Mana) = every time you attack or use a spell, mana is drained.

Hum.. sorry, I don't think that would be a good Idea, I would be better this way:

HP-When = 0 you faint, you can Give Up and die (timed revive), or can be revived by some special unit.

MP-When = 0 use potions ^^ or something like that.

I don't wanna pll fainting all the time, I think it woould be boring, but you gave me the HP idea, thx.

Please if you wanna help post your mail (msn would be great)

 

[Elthanor]

E-mail? I guess ican try to help! [email protected] is my E-mail address. My MSN is [email protected], msn chat!

 

[N1gh7m4r3]

Elthanor
E-mail? I guess ican try to help! [email protected] is my E-mail address. My MSN is [email protected], msn chat!

Ok, thx

In what you want, can, help?

 

[Elthanor]

In what way can I help? If you need a terrainer, I can try. Im not pro, but least im not to bad. Read my second post, i have more info.

Other then that, i cna be a tester, i read the frist book 2 times and Eldest once, i know it pretty well. If you need anything els, I can try,I not like a "Modeler" or Skinner" But i know the basics of most and learn.

Just ask me what you want me to do and Ill do my best! :shades:

 

[N1gh7m4r3]

In what way can I help? If you need a terrainer, I can try. Im not pro, but least im not to bad. Read my second post, i have more info.

Other then that, i cna be a tester, i read the frist book 2 times and Eldest once, i know it pretty well. If you need anything els, I can try,I not like a "Modeler" or Skinner" But i know the basics of most and learn.

Just ask me what you want me to do and Ill do my best! :shades:

Thx, the terrain will be made by everyone who wants to help, but I need to coordinate it, so at the end I don't get 6 diferent maps ^^.

Skining and modeling would be nice, but only if someone knows and want to do it, cause I cant =(.

Thx again EVERYONE

 

[Elthanor]

Could you give me a description of what you want the charecters look like for you? I can try to skin some, Let us know who you want to do the terrain, who ever you picked can start asap!

I can make Icons if you need, i know how. And SIMPLE model editing, like get rid of a Hero GLow, and WEapon, i can do that. simple let me know what. I might work on some skins soon.

Merry Christmas!

 

[Quadmxracer]

Could you give me a description of what you want the charecters look like for you? I can try to skin some, Let us know who you want to do the terrain, who ever you picked can start asap!

I can make Icons if you need, i know how. And SIMPLE model editing, like get rid of a Hero GLow, and WEapon, i can do that. simple let me know what. I might work on some skins soon.

Merry Christmas!

I don't no what N1gh7m4r3 will want exactly, but here are some ideas for some units/skins.

Urgal: I think Taurens would work good for them, and/or the wild kin.
I found some custom skins for tauren that might look cool, and not be the same-old: http://www.wc3sear.ch/index.php?p=Skins&ID=2631&sid=
http://www.wc3sear.ch/index.php?p=Skins&ID=846&sid=
http://www.wc3sear.ch/index.php?p=Skins&ID=1233&sid=
http://www.wc3sear.ch/index.php?p=Skins&ID=3695&sid=
(on some of the Tauren, they have two sticks, or watever they're supposed to be, on their backs, if you choose to use them, would u be able to get rid of those "sticks"? if so, that would be great, it would take away more of the Tauren affect, and be more like an Urgal)

Durza: A Blood Elf would work good for Durza, but here are some custom skins that i thought would look really good as Durza.
http://www.wc3sear.ch/?p=Skins&ID=1482
http://www.wc3sear.ch/index.php?p=Skins&ID=1113&sid=

The Twins: I don't know what would be a good regular unit for them, but here is a custom skin that could work for them (or Durza for that matter).
http://www.wc3sear.ch/index.php?p=Skins&ID=1795&sid=
(Personally, if you use this, i think it would fit them better if they didn't have the staff, but thats just me, and only if you think you can get rid of it).
http://www.wc3sear.ch/index.php?p=Skins&ID=3030&sid=
(Again, with this one i think no staff is best. Also, if possible, get rid of that black thing across his face (what is that? a mask? or is it supposed to be a beard?, it don't really matter, but to get the best look for the twins, i think its got to go)

Ajihad:
http://www.wc3sear.ch/index.php?p=Skins&ID=1783&sid=
http://www.wc3sear.ch/index.php?p=Skins&ID=291&sid=
(if you can, in this second one, i would suggest getting rid of the red light around the sword and his feet, since in the book Ajihad doesn't have any magic)

Murtagh:
http://www.wc3sear.ch/index.php?p=Skins&ID=4149&sid=
(now that i think about it, this skin would be good for Ajihad too, and maybe a skin based off of the blademaster (but with human color skin, and no flag on his back) might be better for Murtagh, i'll try to find one, but this might be hard).
http://www.wc3sear.ch/index.php?p=Skins&ID=2988&sid=
(Ok, well this is the best i can find so far for a human looking blade master. I think he would need a hair color change (i think Murtagh has brown hair), and hair on top of his head but other than that, i think it would work great)
http://www.wc3sear.ch/index.php?p=Skins&ID=848&sid=
(This one might work as well, but on top of the other things, the flag would need to go as well.)

Eragon:
http://www.wc3sear.ch/index.php?p=Skins&ID=3928&sid=
(This could also work for Murtagh, I can't believe i missed it before :banghead: when i was looking in human skins. The hair color might need to be changed, i can't remember, and the flag would need to be gotten rid of, but i think it would be great for Eragon and/or Murtagh.)

Dwarfen warriors: In the campaign, there are already dwarves with the humans, but if you want an original skin, this one looked cool to me:
http://www.wc3sear.ch/index.php?p=Skins&ID=4069&sid=
http://www.wc3sear.ch/index.php?p=Skins&ID=4019&sid=
http://www.wc3sear.ch/index.php?p=Skins&ID=3975&sid=

Human warriors:
http://www.wc3sear.ch/index.php?p=Skins&ID=3486&sid=
http://www.wc3sear.ch/index.php?p=Skins&ID=4229&sid=
http://www.wc3sear.ch/index.php?p=Skins&ID=118&sid=
(for this third one, i've been trying to stay away from skins that look too much like evil forces, but i just thought it looked soo cool, just had to put it in ).

(and if you use any of the skins, remember to give credit to the original skin makers)

I'll keep looking for more skins. Tell me what you think of the skins i've posted so far, and if anyone else finds some skins that would fit a unit/hero in the game, im sure N1gh7m4r3 would appreciate it very much.

And N1gh7m4r3, do you want to make the circle of magic users (sry, can't remember the name of it) of the varden special units, or various heros (just picking a few to be heros).

P.S: Like Elthanor said, Merry Christmas everyone
P.P.S: I no this post is getting long, i keep updating it and adding new attachments for new skins, and i plan to find more skins, so please, will any moderator or anyone else who would know, let me know if i am creating too big of a post? or am getting close to breaking any other rules (I will reread the rules to make sure), just want to make sure that im not doing anything wrong thx.

 

[N1gh7m4r3]

Merry X-mas xD xD

Thx you all, exelent homework Quad xD Great things there.

I don't think I can be able, to remove the sticks, only ig I edit the skins, I will try.

My plans to make the map will be the following:

• The map will cicle throught the map making team
• Everybody will create (on events) a comment posting the changes they had made and dates (so the next will know whats already done)
• If someone want to post important notes (like INCOMPLETE or Don't delete), do so
• It's all =) more ideas welcome =)

I'am still waiting for MSN contacts if you dont mind, its much better InstMsg than posting =).

Thx all again and Merrry X-mas

I have beensearching the custom skins, and I think we can handle almost all units and heroes with custom skins, the map will look diferent at least (everybody tired of seeing all the time the same tyhings =))

 

[Elthanor]

Nice Research Quadmxracer!!! Great skins!

I liked the First Urgal skin, but it has too much armor, i think I could either add more fur/skin or merge 2 skins(Which i Like to do alot) and make a more non-armored Urgal, i think thats better. Ill work on that soon.

Also for Durza, he has Red hair, so editing the skin to add Red hair is easy. im going to look at some models that mgith be good to reskin.

The Human Sholider skin looks good, very enterresting style. I might look at some more... i dont know

The Dwarfs look good, there should be maybe 3 different kinds of them, the King, Orik and the Dwarf Warrio Army. Just maube if you want that, or maybe that will take up to much space.

Good Dwarf model-http://www.wc3sear.ch/index.php?p=Models&ID=1339&sid=
( I think i have a reskin of this, it looks more wild, less Shiny armor just incase you want that.)
Another good one, this one is cool =D-http://www.wc3sear.ch/index.php?p=Models&ID=1877&sid=

Eragon or Murtagh should use the Arthas model I think, it has good base, Sword and blond hair, I could skin it, to make it have brown hair and better armor, if you want. Il show you one i did a few weeks ago soon.

Twins, thats hard, no Human unit is bald! lol, good skiner should try that.

I have a good model for Saphira, its the basic dragon in WC, but its landed, i havent seen the animation, but it looks great! Ill try to reskin is sometime, make it blue and cooler!
http://www.wc3sear.ch/index.php?p=Models&ID=2587&sid=

Kulls should be hard, maybe a reskins Grom might be good...

g2g! C yea!

 

[Quadmxracer]

Nice Research Quadmxracer!!! Great skins!

I liked the First Urgal skin, but it has too much armor, i think I could either add more fur/skin or merge 2 skins(Which i Like to do alot) and make a more non-armored Urgal, i think thats better. Ill work on that soon.
(another thing is, do you think you could get rid of the sticks on the backs of the Tauren that have them?)

Also for Durza, he has Red hair, so editing the skin to add Red hair is easy. im going to look at some models that mgith be good to reskin.

The Human Sholider skin looks good, very enterresting style. I might look at some more... i dont know

The Dwarfs look good, there should be maybe 3 different kinds of them, the King, Orik and the Dwarf Warrio Army. Just maube if you want that, or maybe that will take up to much space.

Good Dwarf model-http://www.wc3sear.ch/index.php?p=Models&ID=1339&sid=
( I think i have a reskin of this, it looks more wild, less Shiny armor just incase you want that.)
Another good one, this one is cool =D-http://www.wc3sear.ch/index.php?p=Models&ID=1877&sid=

Eragon or Murtagh should use the Arthas model I think, it has good base, Sword and blond hair, I could skin it, to make it have brown hair and better armor, if you want. Il show you one i did a few weeks ago soon.

Twins, thats hard, no Human unit is bald! lol, good skiner should try that.

I have a good model for Saphira, its the basic dragon in WC, but its landed, i havent seen the animation, but it looks great! Ill try to reskin is sometime, make it blue and cooler!
http://www.wc3sear.ch/index.php?p=Models&ID=2587&sid=

Kulls should be hard, maybe a reskins Grom might be good...

g2g! C yea!

Thx.

LOL, now that i think about it, your right, that first Tauren does have too much armor, i still think it could be useful though, so i'll leave it up.

As for Durza, eh... forgot he had red hair, (been a while since read the book) but anyways, i still think those are some of the better skins for durza, and hope that it will be easy for u to fix the hair, thx.


For the dwarf that you said u like:http://www.wc3sear.ch/index.php?p=Models&ID=1877&sid= is pretty cool, maybe it can be used, but personally i was trying to stay away from the hammer-and-axe weapons of the dwarf because they are usually too much like the regular dwarfs in the game, the hammer usually looks WAY too big to handle properly, and (although this could be very wrong, and i'm sry if it is) i don't exactly think the dwarves in the books used both hammer and axe at the same time. Thats just what i thought of course.

I suppose for Eragon and/or Murtagh Arthas might work, but why i was thinking a Blademaster skin with human color was because, in the book, they are really fast fighters, and more "dance" when dueling than just normal strikes, and i thought the Blademaster represented that better.

The twins... ya i was stumped on them too for a while, i finally decided that i would just put the skins i did for them because they were good except for the bald part, and i can't really find a bald human that will work yet. If someone who is good at skinning can make one of them bald, that would be great. If you find something better, please let me know, and i'll post it. Another possibility would be to take a Blademaster, give it human color skin, take away the sword, and give it a cloak (but this seems to be a lot of skinning).

That model for saphira... I love it <3 , i've only been looking at the "skin" section on wc3sear.ch so far so anything in the "model" section i haven't seen yet. Everything for dragons in the skins section i didn't like, and that had me stumped. But you solved that for me thx man. The only thing is the color needs to be changed to blue, but you already know this, and said it, so i hope it won't be too hard to do. good work man, and thanks for helping with that.

For the Kull: please correct me if i'm wrong, but they are really just the elites in the Urgal society. If this is the case, then maybe the first Tauren i posted (the one with all the armor) could be a Kull. I'll also look into other possibilities of course, but like you, im kinda stumped too, and don't no exactly what should be used yet.

I'll continue looking at more skins. When i've seen all that i think i can get, i'll look at the models next.

 

[uberfoop]

IMO taurens dont really work for urgals. besides, can you just imagine how dumb a bunch of tauren models streaming out of a chokepoint would look? if i were doing this, id use grunts. but meh, w/e.