Zakyath
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of course Sweden won, weren't we like the only country that actually earned something from the war?
of course Sweden won, weren't we like the only country that actually earned something from the war?
Russia.
Aeroblyctos said:Soviet Union won.
Developement? Russia needing to justify the deaths? Are you confusing the 1930's collectivization with wwii?I don't think development justifies 20 million lives.
46 years isn't a sudden downfall. And the Russian people today still see it as a huge acheivement on their part.Development that eventually ended with the downfall of the USSR. The Soviet Union may have been the victor because they captured Berlin; but they were not in existence long enough after to savor the victory.
Developement? Russia needing to justify the deaths? Are you confusing the 1930's collectivization with wwii?
Because the death on the Eastern Front was hardly Russia's fault. Most of it was civilian loss in German-occupied areas. As in, they were killed by conditions set in by the Third Reich invaders. As in, Russia is hardly the nation to blame for it. Blaiming them for that would be like if I broke into your house and took everyone else inside hostage and then killed them and then people blaimed you for not defending your house well enough.
You said about 'does this justify 20 million lives,' implicitly blaiming the USSR for the lives lost in the German occupation. At least that's how I took it.Did I say that? I wasn't blaming anyone (except the axis).
They won not being exterminated/booted into Siberia. Hitler looked upon Slavs not a whole lot more positively than he looked upon Jews. Russia was backed into a corner. They didn't really have an option other than fight.All I meant was that they didn't really "win" anything.
Actually, until hatreds broke out again after it was clear that the Allies were winning, they kinda/sorta did. But yea, more or less true.None of the other allied countries gave Russia much credit either..
You said about 'does this justify 20 million lives,' implicitly blaiming the USSR for the lives lost in the German occupation. At least that's how I took it.
They won not being exterminated/booted into Siberia. Hitler looked upon Slavs not a whole lot more positively than he looked upon Jews. Russia was backed into a corner. They didn't really have an option other than fight.
Actually, until hatreds broke out again after it was clear that the Allies were winning, they kinda/sorta did. But yea, more or less true.
My opinion is that if Hitler wouldn't have wasted the time and resources on the jews; the axis party would be the dominate party in the world today.
Ignorance. You have no idea how strong the Canadian military was back then do you? No idea what we did for the war?
On D day, Canada was the first one to achive there goal and they did it by the end of the first day.
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Anyway, Sweden won.