C++ Where to start. what to do?

[Samael88]

Just my 2 cents.

Sorry to say that I don't think your 2 cents is worth even that

The high level programming languages is not like a high level hero in wc3.
It is actually the other way around. The level they are reffering to is how close to machine code it is. If you want a good language you should really use machine code directly, it does not get better than that Python is a good language, the only problem with learning python is that you will probably have some trouble learning other languages after that.

If you have used JASS in wc3 and understood it somewhat I suggest you use c++, it is fairly similiar, and that is all I had in my pocket when I started using c++

 

[ElderKingpin]

i have nothing ._.

 

[codemonkey]

Absolutely incorrect. It's the other way around. Quoting wikipedia:

In computing, a high-level programming language is a programming language with strong abstraction from the details of the computer. In comparison to low-level programming languages, it may use natural language elements, be easier to use, or be more portable across platforms. Such languages hide the details of CPU operations such as memory access models and management of scope.

Making python very easy to learn, no need to worry about how you allocate memory.


And if you want to take it a step higher see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_high-level_programming_language

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When you have nothing and I'm assuming you haven't taken Logic yet Python is a great place to start learning the key concepts that are present in ALL programming languages.

 

[Tru_Power22]

Absolutely incorrect. It's the other way around. Quoting wikipedia:



Making python very easy to learn, no need to worry about how you allocate memory.


And if you want to take it a step higher see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_high-level_programming_language

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When you have nothing and I'm assuming you haven't taken Logic yet Python is a great place to start learning the key concepts that are present in ALL programming languages.

Yes but there are time where directly allocating memory is necessary, or at lest helpful. C++ is a high level language, but it can do things that ow level languages can. So it does get the best of both worlds.

 

[codemonkey]

C++ is a middle level language, not high level.

Read the quote from wikipedia, especially the part I bolded.

 

[Samael88]

C++ is a middle level language, not high level.

Read the quote from wikipedia, especially the part I bolded.

No matter how you twist and turn it comes down to this anyway:
warcraft and starcraft and diablo has all been written in c++, that alone makes it a good language by reputation
Python has at least mount and blade that I am aware of, and that is a good game as well, but it could had been better written in c++, that is my personal oppinion tho.

I think that it is better to start with something a bit advanced and move to python later, else you will miss out on the memory allocation stuff

 

[Lyerae]

Sorry, but are you an idiot? Start with the advanced stuff first, then move on to the easy?
That's not how we learn things.
Learn something easy first, then move on to more advances languages.

Python is great to start with. I learnt it in about a week or so. Sure, I can't quite program anything yet, but that's because I don't know what functions/methods there are to use.

 

[Samael88]

Sorry, but are you an idiot?

No, I am not, and I would appreciate that you would not ask me or anyone else that question in the future

I am just saying that c++ is a good language to start with, since it has a syntax that looks like many other languages. While python is an easy language it lacks a few things such as a "common syntax" or what ever it is called, it also lacks the memory handling that c++ does.

I am not trying to trash-talk python, it is a pretty good language, I am just saying that c++ seems to be a better alternative to start out with to me.

And c++ is not that advanced compared to python, there is just more code to write before you get any results

 

[Lyerae]

> And c++ is not that advanced compared to python, there is just more code to write before you get any results.
And that's why Python is better to start with.
C++ = compiler.
Python = intepreter.

 

[Tru_Power22]

C++ is a middle level language, not high level.

Read the quote from wikipedia, especially the part I bolded.

Yeah, but all a middle level language means is having both high level and low level features.

 

[codemonkey]

Ok you guys obviously don't get it so I'll clarify.

Low level languages are almost identical to machine code, like Assembly. Middle level languages are sort of similar but have it's own syntax, they usually have the ability to use memory allocation. High level languages are very different from machine code. Even more so with very high level programming languages.

 

[UndeadDragon]

> And c++ is not that advanced compared to python, there is just more code to write before you get any results.
And that's why Python is better to start with.

I'm sorry, but I do not agree with this. Just because you have to write a bit more code (very basic stuff) it does not make it any worse. Of course, if there was lots more code everywhere it might be a bit different.

I personally dislike the syntax of Python and I personally would not recommend it to a beginner, because of how it is different from conventional syntax. I personally started with C++ and I had no problems learning it (and I can also easily learn other languages, as it has a similar syntax).

 

[Samael88]

I personally dislike the syntax of Python and I personally would not recommend it to a beginner, because of how it is different from conventional syntax. I personally started with C++ and I had no problems learning it (and I can also easily learn other languages, as it has a similar syntax).

See, that was exactly what I was trying to say

 

[codemonkey]

Don't get me wrong, I think C++ is a great language too but it's slowly but surely being replaced.

Here's a great article comparing C++ and Python:

http://theunixgeek.blogspot.com/2008/09/c-vs-python-speed.html

And another neat thing about Python is you can use C(++) code inside of it.

http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~kent-and/software/Instant/doc/Instant.html

 

[Xienoph]

C++ is a really old language. If you don't really care about performance, I suggest moving to something more modern.

Since the thread owner wants to make games (right?), then I'll suggest that you start learning C++. There are concepts that are abstracted from higher level languages like Python and C# that you will (probably) need in C++. Since you'll end up programming in C++, might as well start by learning that.

 

[Icyculyr]

I use Visual Studio 2008 Pro Edition, they have a Beta of VS 2010, it's pretty good.
I highly recommend VS, I learned VB, and the more I learned I became better with C++ as I understood it more.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/dd582936.aspx

Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate I think would be the one to download, I'm not sure though.

EDIT: if your after games, I'd trial VS 2008 Pro and download and install XNA Game Studio, I think it's designed for building Windows & XBOX 360 games using C# syntax, I've used it before and liked it.

 

[ElderKingpin]

i dont want to make games persay, i may want to do that. but i want to step into it. I want to make some simple programs first. For example. A word scrambler. that takes the first and last letter of a word, and randomly scrambles all of the letters in-between

 

[codemonkey]

Python would be the way to go for that honestly.

 

[ElderKingpin]

you think python is the way to go for everything.

 

[codemonkey]

No, you're absolutely incorrect.

Python is best for making lightweight applications and it has an easy syntax, I personally wouldn't use it for making 3D applications.