McCain vs Obama

[hi_im_bob]

According to NBC news (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24944453/?GT1=43001) Obama has won the democratic nomination. Assuming that these are the only candidates and not including vice presidents who would you vote for?

I am very torn, not a lot of options. I personally would vote for McCain. He has plenty of experience and I agree on many issues with him, such as the Iraq war, tax cuts and abortion rights.

The reasons why I wouldnt vote for Obama are because I dont believe he has enough experience in D.C. and that as a new and upcoming leader in the Democratic party he will be pushed around by the party. He believes that he can make changes, im not sure how, if he has little experience in the slightly corupt, and dirty DC politics than how can any of his vague quixotic ideas ever come true. Thats not to say, that I strongly disagree on his stance on the war and Iraq and abortion.

So i guess im really just voting against Obama. What do you think?

 

[Knight7770]

Well, I'm not of voting age (shocking, isn't it?), and as such, I don't pay very much attention to the politics of the US. Nevertheless, I would vote for Obama.

 

[Lobster]

maybe its because i dont pay as much attention, but ive heard good things (and a few bad things also0 about obama) and he seems like a good leader overall. I havnt heard much about mcain.

(Im also undrage)

 

[Dakho]

Obama has become a pop culture icon, I have a feeling he'll just sweep over the election. Personally I hate liberal ideals they feel so socialist to me.... but yeah, if I could vote I'd go for McCain.

 

[Ghan]

I'm sorry. I had to edit your poll to add a "None of the Above" option.
I want to vote, but not for either of those guys.
But don't get me started. I just think there's much better than either of them....

 

[WolSHaman]

I just think there's much better than either of them....

I feel inclined to agree. Who do you like? Anyone I've heard of?

 

[Ghan]

> Who do you like? Anyone I've heard of?

RON PAUL

 

[Prometheus]

I'd vote for Obama or Dennis Kusenich.
Dennis over Obama but he got owned.

 

[Seb!]

Barack Obama. If you watched McCain's speech tonight, it is evident that he has nowhere near the public speaking ability that Obama has. He has become a symbol of the old Bush government, giving him the name "McSame." There have also been commercials comparing his mannerisms, speeches, and stance on issues to those of Bush. His insistence on "staying the course" in a widely unpopular war is starting to hurt. Deregulation and the transfer of tax dollars away from federal assistance agencies, schools, and health care have become the pillars of his campaign. Instead he wants to add troops to Iraq, where many Americans feel their tax dollars are being used to fund the rich lifestyle of a few CEO's.

Obama's message of affordable health care, transfer of money away from Iraq, and safety nets in this financially unstable time have led him to the top of certain popularity poles. This is why John McCain is unelectable. I do believe, in addition, that Barack Obama will be a good president. The American economy cannot exist on a borrow-and-spend, rather than tax-and-spend base. This only, in the end, hurts the taxpayer. The tax cuts for the rich that McCain promises to reinstate will only come out of federal help agencies and the education system.

The money spent so far on the Iraq War could rebuild every road, bridge, school, and hospital in America. John McCain seems to embrace this fact, even wanting to send more soldiers in. Obama is ashamed that America would let this happen, and has promised to pull out. The awful economy would only continue under a rule that moves away from safety nets for low-income households, as John McCain would like to see. The combination of a conservative government with low regulation and no government programs, however favorable, cannot exist with the current state of most Americans financial lives, as well as the gigantic amount of government waste spending on a pointless war to fund CEO golf trips.

 

[WolSHaman]

Although I don't like many of Ron Paul's positions, I'll admit, what I do like about him is the fact that he forces some of the other peeps talk about issues that they wouldn't otherwise confront, usually involving the economy. Oh, and he made an ass out of McCain when he got McCain to admit that he really didn't know much about the economy or economics, and making an ass out of McCain increases my respect for anyone immensely.

Oh, and it would be awesome if Obama could deliever what he promises, but if he hopes to get reelected, he'll be pandering to the democratic party, and he wouldn't actually deliever much of what he promised. Besides, even if he did, I don't think that national health care is enough, but that's just me.

 

[Varine]

Although I don't like many of Ron Paul's positions, I'll admit, what I do like about him is the fact that he forces some of the other peeps talk about issues that they wouldn't otherwise confront, usually involving the economy. Oh, and he made an ass out of McCain when he got McCain to admit that he really didn't know much about the economy or economics, and making an ass out of McCain increases my respect for anyone immensely.

Oh, and it would be awesome if Obama could deliever what he promises, but if he hopes to get reelected, he'll be pandering to the democratic party, and he wouldn't actually deliever much of what he promised. Besides, even if he did, I don't think that national health care is enough, but that's just me.

Yeah, rock on Paul! Who needs a nation? Let's just go back to the thirteen colonies! Let's just abolish America and become part of Britain again!

But in all seriousness, Obama's foreign policy sucks. His plan, unless it's changed, to end the war in Iraq won't work. All that he would accomplish is getting about three fourths of the way done with extraction, then there would be a huge surge in violence, and he would be fucked and then we'd have to go back in and it'll become a huge mess.
And, personally, I think that if Obama wins then there'll be some terrorism issues like we saw with Clinton (USS Cole, the 1993 WTC thing, ect), and he'll fail to really do anything about it.
Bush made a lot of mistakes, but in my mind actually doing something about terrorism after 9/11 (which wasn't an inside job regardless of how much you want a reason to hate the Bush Administration and the CIA) made him a way better President than most people give him credit for. The Iraq thing was a fuckup because of the strategy, though.

Depending on who McCain's running mate is, I'll probably vote for him (if he gets someone like Romney who has a somewhat decent domestic policy that McCain can fall back on, then I'm going with him). Obama, chances are I'm not voting for him regardless of who his running mate is because I think he's going to fuck everything up. Plus if we do get attacked while he's President, then there goes the Democratic party.

And about Bush's public speaking, because people seem to hate him strictly off that, I've talked to him before in a smaller group of people. It's amazing how much he sucks at doing those speeches in front of a lot of people compared to that, he really is a lot more intelligent than people give him credit for. Although the peanut incident does kind of exemplify it....

 

[Seb!]

Debate it all you want, and I will still disagree about Iraq.. but even so I really don't think it's the biggest issue, for Americans or me. The economy and health care can't be referred to as "something for the vice president to handle" while our corporations are subsidizing jobs to India.

Too much money has gone from helping the economy to Iraq. It really can't be worth it for all of America to go into a recession for this war. There is no way possible that it's worth anything near that. If it really is that big of a deal, someone else who's not in a recession, possibly even something like the UN (which we give tons of money to), can handle it.

 

[WolSHaman]

Yeah, rock on Paul! Who needs a nation? Let's just go back to the thirteen colonies! Let's just abolish America and become part of Britain again!

But in all seriousness, Obama's foreign policy sucks. His plan, unless it's changed, to end the war in Iraq won't work. All that he would accomplish is getting about three fourths of the way done with extraction, then there would be a huge surge in violence, and he would be fucked and then we'd have to go back in and it'll become a huge mess.
And, personally, I think that if Obama wins then there'll be some terrorism issues like we saw with Clinton (USS Cole, the 1993 WTC thing, ect), and he'll fail to really do anything about it.
Bush made a lot of mistakes, but in my mind actually doing something about terrorism after 9/11 (which wasn't an inside job regardless of how much you want a reason to hate the Bush Administration and the CIA) made him a way better President than most people give him credit for. The Iraq thing was a fuckup because of the strategy, though.

Depending on who McCain's running mate is, I'll probably vote for him (if he gets someone like Romney who has a somewhat decent domestic policy that McCain can fall back on, then I'm going with him). Obama, chances are I'm not voting for him regardless of who his running mate is because I think he's going to fuck everything up. Plus if we do get attacked while he's President, then there goes the Democratic party.

And about Bush's public speaking, because people seem to hate him strictly off that, I've talked to him before in a smaller group of people. It's amazing how much he sucks at doing those speeches in front of a lot of people compared to that, he really is a lot more intelligent than people give him credit for. Although the peanut incident does kind of exemplify it....

Iraq is a sticky issue, and I disagree and think that we should pull out... but this isn't the place to debate that. However, I do think that Obama would have terrible foreign policy...

 

[Seb!]

However, I do think that Obama would have terrible foreign policy...

How so.

 

[Darkchaoself]

Obama FTW.

However, I do think that Obama would have terrible foreign policy...

Thats what my mom says too...

 

[Seb!]

Do you really believe that foreign policy is about killing Muslims? Diplomacy FTW. Other powerful nations that have been alienated as a result of previously faulty foreign "policy" will be happier and more likely to be friendly with the USA if we're not in Iraq.

Also, many decisions regarding foreign policy are made by generals, ambassadors, and the secretaries of the state and defense. I really don't think Obama's wanting to get out of Iraq is going to lead to the downfall of the US. His foreign policy is certainly not what we should be worried about.

 

[WolSHaman]

How so.

Well, he said that he'd attack Pakistan of Al-Qaeda took over, which seems to imply that the current dictator is better then an Al-Qaeda dictatorship, despite the fact that this one is also channeling some funding into various terrorist groups, and he has made no pressure to stop this. Obama just seems like he'd be too soft on some of the terrorists groups. I agree that we need to go easier on them, especially in the case of Israel, but he would go to soft on them. However, he does support easing up on Cuba, and that is a good idea.

 

[Ninva]

I really don't like McCain.

 

[WolSHaman]

I really don't like McCain.

I feel inclined to agree. Which is why Ron Paul scores bonus points for making him look like an ass!

 

[Varine]

Iraq is a sticky issue, and I disagree and think that we should pull out... but this isn't the place to debate that. However, I do think that Obama would have terrible foreign policy...

Yeah, I didn't intend to make a debate out of it. But the war is kind of a keystone of the foreign policy right now, and if the war policy is bad, then it's going to make everything worse.

I really don't like McCain.

Most democrats don't.

I feel inclined to agree. Which is why Ron Paul scores bonus points for making him look like an ass!

Ron Paul also thinks that delivering babies is a useful quality for the US President. And that 9/11 was because we invaded Iraq, according to that one speech he tried to give.

Also, many decisions regarding foreign policy are made by generals, ambassadors, and the secretaries of the state and defense. I really don't think Obama's wanting to get out of Iraq is going to lead to the downfall of the US. His foreign policy is certainly not what we should be worried about.

You'll be worrying about it shortly after he tries to do something involving the foreign policy.

Debate it all you want, and I will still disagree about Iraq.. but even so I really don't think it's the biggest issue, for Americans or me. The economy and health care can't be referred to as "something for the vice president to handle" while our corporations are subsidizing jobs to India.

The war has cost like 5.5 billion dollars. Even if we eliminated the income tax like some of the candidates have talked about doing, the budget would be over 1.3 trillion still (something like that, according to all of the candidates). Over five years, the war's cost nothing compared to the budget, so the cost isn't something to complain about if the Democrats/Paul's estimation is to be considered accurate. And most of the money probably would have gone to being spent by the military anyway. The US spends like 600 billion dollars a year on the military. Even when Clinton was in office, the military spent over 300 billion a year.
And Obama's not going to fix he economy, either. He thinks he can, with his one term in an office, but for all of his plans that he goes on about, very few of them will work.